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16 July, 2012 12:26 AMDean McNatty
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17 July, 2012 5:49 AMDarron Passlow
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19 July, 2012 1:51 AMDarron Passlow
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20 July, 2012 3:57 AMMurray Conahan
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22 July, 2012 8:25 PMBrooke Martin
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23 July, 2012 9:09 PMDarron Passlow
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19 July, 2012 1:54 AMRoyce Toohey
 

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Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Dean McNatty
To: Asset Management
Posted: 16 July, 2012 12:26 AM
Subject: Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
Hi all,
Would be really interested to find out how people are calculating the following reporting requirements for NSW Special Schedule 7 reports as there seems to be a few different interpretations out there:

1. The estimated cost to bring all assets up to a 'Satisfactory' condition
2. The required annual maintenance to maintain assets at a 'Satisfactory' standard.

Look forward to hearing from you!

Regards

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Dean McNatty
Asset Officer - Drainage
Warringah Council
DEE WHY NSW

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RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Darron Passlow
To: Asset Management
Posted: 17 July, 2012 5:49 AM
Subject: RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
Dean,

This has been a (good) question that has basically gone unanswered for all asset classes, not just Stormwater.
These questions are certainly hard to answer for any asset but particularly hard for buried assets like drainage and water and sewer pipes. The terms in the questions need much better definition and clarification.

I am also keen to get this issue resolved because it is now on my plate to determine this for all assets (including drainage) at Pittwater. I intend to do this out of our asset management system.

I will provide a more detailed answer separately to this response but I am interested to know whether the Special Schedule 7 (which forms part of end of year account reporting required by Councils in NSW) is applicable and is called for across other states (or all states in Australia).

I have some specific information to share for NSW following previous discussions with the Department (Division) of Local Government in NSW. This may not be of interest to other states (unless SS7 is an accounting reporting requirement).

Contact me directly (phone below) if I can help you in the mean time.

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Darron Passlow
Asset Management
Pittwater Council
MONA VALE NSW
02-9970 1352

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RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Darron Passlow
To: Asset Management
Posted: 19 July, 2012 1:51 AM
Subject: RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
Dean, Mathew and others,

I will restrict my answer here to Dean's 2 questions;

1. The estimated cost to bring all assets up to a 'Satisfactory' condition

The IPR legislation in NSW (in its working document) says we should rate our assets 1 - 5, for reporting to DLG, where;
1 = Excellent, 2 = Good, 3 = Fair, 4 = Poor, 5 = Very Poor
so the term "satisfactory" is not used in the specific part of the documentation related to asset condition.
This is the first problem. The second problem is what cost are we talking about here?
The cost across an asset class listed in the SS7 is (most likely) the capital renew cost that needs to be spent (over the longer term) to keep this asset class at an acceptable level (and continue to provide the levels of service that are required by the community?). This level can (and is often) be related to the condition of the asset class.
e.g. deteriorating condition often means a reduction in the LoS that the community ses (wants)
This should (eventually) come out of your Asset Management Plans (advanced) which will include your capital workd proram and in particular the capital renewal forecasts (over 10 years).
When the DLG was approached about how they defined "satisfactory", the initial repsonse was (arhhh!) C = 2, i.e. "good" from their IPR documentation.
A number of progressive councils worked with this number and could predict what this would cost every year over a 10 years forecast period. The BIG numbers scared the hell out of everyone (council and DLG alike).
There have been further conversations between councils on how to handle this but these options are extensive and need to be documented elsewhere (or at least by others).


2. The required annual maintenance to maintain assets at a 'Satisfactory' standard.
This is another key number that comes out of your (advanced) asset management plans.
The maintenance moneys that should be expended to keep assets at an acceptable (condition) level can be worked out (if you have an accurately populated and worthwhile asset management system). But to get this answer you do need good practitioner input to the solution and the data in your system. But you can work this number out based on science and practical experience (rather than a "lick of the finger" technique).

These answers (above) in SS7 are then used by DLG (I assume)
1 to assess are you spending the appropriate amounts on capital renewal to be sustainable (as a services delivery council) over the longer term, and
2 to assess are you maintaining your assets well enough (so you can continue to deliver acceptable LoS) in the shorter term - the maintenance cost numbers

Hope this helps and perhaps further clarification could come from IPWEA talking to NSW State gov reps at least.

Regards

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Darron Passlow
Asset Management
Pittwater Council
MONA VALE NSW

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RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Murray Conahan
To: Asset Management
Posted: 20 July, 2012 3:57 AM
Subject: RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
We need a "Like" button on this forum.

Darron you have stated very clearly what everyone responsible for managing assets is thinking. We currently undertake kerb repair works ahead of our reseal program and to bring everything (kerbs) back to a 2 is cost prohibative (never mind our physical capacity to complete the works). Subsequently we concentrate on relacing defects with a condition rating of 4 or 5 only. We still achieve a vastly improved Los. Not the full monty but much improved and no resident complaints.

Cheers.

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Murray Conahan
Asset Planner
City of Onkaparinga
NOARLUNGA CENTRE SAau

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RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Brooke Martin
To: Asset Management
Posted: 22 July, 2012 8:25 PM
Subject: RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
Hi all

The latest DLG Code of accounting practice and financial reporting (Version 20 June 2012) has started to clarify and move to become more consistent reporting for the Special Schedule 7. The notes explain that satisfactory condition is deemed by Council  and the condition rankings have been aligned with the IPWEA NAMS condition descriptions. Hence for each Council satisfactory condition is your level of service and it is not explicitely 3.

Previously here the special schedule 7 for stormwater used condition ratings that were best estimates of the engineers due to lack of condition information. For stormwater assets this year we will be using an extrapolation of the CCTV investigations that have been carried out in the past 12 months. This is only a small % of the network however within 5 years it is planned to have the full network CCTV investigations.


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Brooke Martin
Coordinator Asset Planning
Marrickville Council
PETERSHAM NSW

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RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Darron Passlow
To: Asset Management
Posted: 23 July, 2012 9:09 PM
Subject: RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
Murray,

Thank you and it seems that this is not just a NSW issue. It makes sense that this is a universal (across Australia) issue as it hits at the heart of Asset Management. How we report on these things may be different but the issues we are trying to address are the same.

For your information and others, I am attending a one day workshop (organised by LGMA and IPWEA with our DLG reps attending on 15/8/2012) on financial management of assets. This will be an interesting meeting and I intend to (as I am here) bring this issue to the attention of all the "gurus" who will be attending and driving this initiative. 
I hope we can at least get this issue on the agenda for discussion and the path to resolution.

I would be happy to work on an agenda item, for this meeting, in advance, so that attendees are forewarned.

I will keep this group informed on how we get on. 

Regards
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Darron Passlow
Asset Management
Pittwater Council
MONA VALE NSW

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RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
From: Royce Toohey
To: Asset Management
Posted: 19 July, 2012 1:54 AM
Subject: RE:Special Schedule 7 reporting - Stormwater
Message:
This may or may not be the appropriate way but previously we at Eurobodalla looked at the visual condition data for a small, (assumed) representative sample of our network. Using our engineering judgement we determined what percentage would need replacing, what may be possibly upgraded through lining, etc. These percentages were then applied across the whole network.

What this did not consider was the hydraulic capacity and capability and so this need to be also factored into the assumptions of what work was required.

Given the lack of detail of the whole network (we did not have all our network recorded at that time), it was considered an appropriate response. A lot depends on experience and engineering judgement and therefore cannot be left to a new employee with limited experience. There will always be a need to ensure the skills we have as engineers are recognised and accepted.



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Royce Toohey
Asset Engineer
Eurobodalla Shire Council
MORUYA NSW

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